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Boston Qualifier

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2009 Provo River Marathon, 4:04:38

2009 Provo Canyon Halloween 1/2 Marathon, 1:27:22

2010 Ogden Marathon, 3:04:39

2010 Deseret News Marathon, 2:51:36

2010 Provo River 1/2 Marathon 1:19:01

2010 Top of Utah Marathon 2:52:24

2010 Just Cuz 1/2 Marathon 1:17:36

2011 13.1 LA 1/2 Marathon 1:19:43

2011 Timpanogos Half 1:16:51

2011 Treadmill Marathon 2:49:26 (pr)

Short-Term Running Goals:

2:45 Boston.

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Elliptical Trainer 2017 Lifetime Miles:						107.00
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Fri, Jan 18, 2013

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I sure hope I'm not getting sick again, but it sure seems that way. I got on the treadmill just couldn't bring myself to push the start button so I went to the elliptical for 15 minutes, went back to the treadmill ran for about 1 minute and went back to the elliptical.

I really don't get it, were there people that actually believed Lance Armstrong never used drugs??

First of all, why would you believe 1 person that had everything to loose by telling the truth, and not the hundreds of people that either saw him do it, saw the evidence of it, or heard him admit it that had nothing to loose either way.

Second, HE HAD CANCER. Where do you think these drugs come from? They didn't invent HGH, and EPO so people can go win the Tour De France. They get the money to develop these drugs from funds for things like cancer research. He was obviously taking drugs, people don't get over cancer naturally, that's why they spend Millions of dollars on cancer research, to make drugs that make the body do things it normally wouldn't do.

This brings up the final question. Why do we (you and me) need a hero so bad. Lance didn't start out wanting to be a hero. He wanted to not die from cancer and go win a bike race that no one in America even cared about. He didn't set out to defraud people, who cares if he's not a "nice guy" it's companies like Nike, and Trek that enable this to happen. They are the ones that try to create super humans that look and smell nice, and perform at a level above what a normal human is capable of.

Lance may be a very good liar, but it's not like he didn't know it. He tried to make the best of it and started a foundation to help millions of people to try and make up for it.

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Comments

From Jake K on Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 08:57:24 from 155.100.226.191

I fundamentally disagree with you on a lot of points. He didn't start cheating to beat cancer and then continue cheating to raise money for his foundation.

He started cheating BEFORE he was sick, and the foundation (while great) was not on his mind when he was injecting blood back into his body. He was trying to win bike races, that's it. That's why he cheated again in 2009 during his comeback. He cheated to win, not for some greater good for mankind.

Heroes are good because they inspire. Hope and inspiration are amazing things that can't be taken for granted, and I think its important to have good role models that other (esp kids) can look up to.

Its not just that he cheated... he attacked other and lied to an extreme we've never seen before in sports. In hindsight, what he did was pathetic.

Lots of people do good things (like create charitable foundations) w/out being total a-holes. I'm glad that Livestrong exists, but that doesn't mean Lance is off the hook. Just b/c he didn't intend to take it this far doesn't make it OK.

Your actions, not your intentions, define your integrity.

From Rob on Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 09:08:56 from 206.71.84.68

I agree! he cheated, he's a jerk, he ruined peoples lives. That's not really my point I guess. What bugs me is that we knew this was going on for years. His entire team told us he was guilty, every person who ever worked for him eventually said they saw him doing drugs. We are the ones that let this happen because we wanted a hero so badly we overlook the truth. I guess I just don't understand why now it's such a big deal.

I agree the foundation wasn't on his mind when he started cheating, I said that, he cheated to win bike races. I think the foundation was the way he dealt with the guilt, he felt one good thing could make up for the bad thing.

From Rob on Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 09:19:38 from 206.71.84.68

Guess I should have read your post first. One more thing, I wasn't saying that Cancer was his justification for using drugs, or was a valid justification. What I was trying to point out was he said he had "never" used drugs. I was just trying to point out that he had to have taken drugs to beat Cancer. That's why we do Cancer research, to make drugs that make the body do what it normally can't do on it's own. He never said he only used drugs to beat Cancer, he said he never used them.

From Jake K on Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 09:45:33 from 155.100.226.191

I don't think anyone was shocked by the fact that he's guilty... maybe in 2005 this would have had more of a "WOW" factor... I guess its just that after hearing him deny deny deny for 15 years, its almost weird to see Lance Armstrong saying, "yep, I took PEDs". Its sad that this is what it turned out to be.

We, as supporters, helped facilitate the lie. I stood up for him for years. That's why I feel embarrassed for believing in him.

But I still want to believe in heroes, and that amazing things can happen in sports. So Lance let us down, but I hope that doesn't make us skeptical of all athletes. That's my fear... what he did tarnishes the achievements of guys and girls who do things the right way, or the way their accomplishments are viewed.

From Rob on Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:00:29 from 206.71.84.68

Oh good, I'm glad we circled back to where we both agree :)

I think the whole thing is very sad, but there really isn't much anyone can do about it. For every natural athlete someone is going to cheat to beat them. It's a vicious cycle.

I have some suspicions about one of our hero American Marathoners. But I'm going to keep my mouth shut to avoid conflict.

From Jake K on Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:09:03 from 155.100.226.191

Read b/w the lines on the Steve Magness article I posted. Where there is amazing performance, there will also be suspicion. I mean, Lance kinda laughed laughed last night when asked if he ever thought he would get caught. The system was almost too easy to beat for him. I'm sure others are exploiting it too. But I still hold out hope that there are clean athletes who will ultimately prevail. Pipe dream? Maybe. But that dream is worth holding on to.

From allie on Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 20:16:39 from 97.117.83.221

i started to suspect he was cheating when he beat me in boston '08.

From Rob on Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 20:18:42 from 204.15.86.95

Anyone who beats you is cheating allie.

From Rob on Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 20:24:19 from 204.15.86.95

One thing about it, anyone who has made any money in cycling owes it to Lance. Cycling was like, well, running 20 years ago. People did it cause they enjoyed riding bikes. Now it's huge business, I remember when you bought Trek bikes at K-mart.

From Jake K on Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 20:54:29 from 98.165.228.80

Same with tiger and golf. Golf always had some money, but tiger took it to another level (for everyone) w/ the $$$ put into endorsements

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